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Terry's High-Tech oxalic machine in action

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Sunday 20 February 2005
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All of us learn to write in the second grade. Most of us go on to greater things -- Bobby Knight

Allen's Link of the Day:
le journal d'un Apiculteur Canadien

Hopefully, I'll get the deskwork done today.  Then I'll have to decide whether to drive back, or fly to Alberta.  I had thought of going through Keremeos, but have not yet made up my mind.  For one thing, I've been watching the weather.  Once I get this job out of the way, I'll decide.

Ron went to the office for the afternoon.  Joan, Graham and I went for a walk.  We drove across town, through surprisingly heavy traffic for a Sunday afternoon, to Stanley Park and found a parking space near HMCS Discovery, then started walking.  By the time we finally got back, we had covered about 5.4 miles, according to my map program.

...Okay.  I decided.  I have been watching air fares on Air Canada and WestJet.  Generally three or four days out, there are good prices, and they get worse quickly as the remaining time until flight day passes.  I decided to buy a flight back to YYC for Wednesday.  If I cancel, I have lost $30, far less than if I need to reserve that late.  The entire cost, taxes included, was $125.  If I bought it the day before, I might pay $300 or more, one-way.  I still have a credit from my last cancellation, but somehow, the system did not apply it to this fare.  I suppose I'll have to phone to get it used up.  It is good for a year.

Maybe I'll decide to drive, and stop at Osoyoos, but probably not.  I'll likely leave the car here and come out with Ellen in a week or two for a visit and go out to Victoria.  Although nights are frosty, the days are warm, +10 or so, and flowers are out.

I noticed, in the process of reserving, that WestJet is not competitive with Air Canada anymore, and usually has less flights, costing more.  I suppose that, having emerged from bankruptcy, Air Canada has an advantage.  I don't think I'd be buying either stock right now.

...And, no, I did not get any work done today.

More info today from Terry about the machine mentioned on the 14th

Here is how the evaporator works:

The tank on top of the unit is filled up with oxalic dihydrate crystals. The tank is then heated to 110 degrees C. At this temp the oxalic is in liquid form. The tank temp is maintained at this temp.

The oxalic liquid is metered between 2 ball valves. The metered amount then falls in a vaporization cup which is heated to 175 degrees C. here the liquid oxalic sublimates and turns into gas.

A heated air source then blows the oxalic gas into the hive. (the heated air and vaporization cup temp are all controlled by the same controller to keep decomposition to a minimum, and also to prevent re-sublimation in the manifold. The warm air also helps open up the cluster of wintering bees for penetration of the oxalic gas).

The amount of liquid oxalic vaporized can be changed by placing a longer or shorter pipe between the 2 ball valves. I have a pipe that holds 6 grams of liquid and use a 2 hive manifold on the front of the machine.

I am testing the effectiveness of the machine right now. I gassed 5 locations for testing. Some hives with oxalic, and some hives only with Apistan strips. It will take me several weeks to determine the effectiveness of the evaporator.

Another message on an interesting topic:

Allen, I've said this in the past but just want to say "thanks" again for access to your diary and your useful information. Seems the closer I get to raising my apiary to your size (gearing for 400+ by fall of 2006 to meet pollination load) the more use I find of various techniques in mass bee management. Considering open barrel feeding, apparently some things ARE easier the more beehives your run.
BTW - Are you still using a PDA to keep track of your hives? Is it based on Excel? Would it be possible to get a copy of your spreadsheet 'scheme' on keeping track of your hives, or is it much trouble to send over a blank version of your spreadsheet & "key" on how you're tracking hives?

Another commercial beekeeper & I recently purchased a couple Ipaq's to keep things organized this year but we're kind of just 'playing' with the PDA's rather than jumping in for lack of where to start with the spreadsheet. I'm hoping either you or someone else using a PDA can start us off with the benefit of their version of spreadsheet to get us started. If you're not using PDA's anymore perhaps this would be a good topic for sharing info/techniques/spreadsheets on Bee-L for better organization by the use of PDA's.

Just three months ago I didn't know the first thing about PDA's & now have a very good idea which ones can be purchased cheaply; which ones hold up with normal use and which ones are good pda's to run for std. spreadsheets (i.e. Ipaq 3835 can be regularly purchased on Ebay for ~$100-$150 and has MS Excel rom-loaded, or a Clie-Peg50 or Peg70 which are a bit more expensive but have miniature keyboards built in -- the Peg70V comes with a camera for taking photos of hive 'situations' if the need comes up as does the cheaper Palm Zire71. Coming from a computer hardware background I started picking up broken ones off Ebay & fixing them so now have ~40 on the shelves & why I've become comfortable with the basic characteristics of the Palm, Ipaq, Sony, etc lines of PDA's. For our own use we settled on using the Ipaq 3835 since they're ~$125 used (cheap enough), fairly sturdy, have Excel and Word preloaded, and somewhat fast. Though I might change to one of the Sony 'Pegs' with a minature keyboard for easier typing depending on how our spreadsheet turns out for marking the conditions of our hives.


1001014.jpg (42598 bytes)----- Original Message -----
> From: "allen dick"
> To: BEE-L
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Open feeding
>> You said you put straw in...
>> 1) Does it make any difference what kind of straw?
> See
1001011.jpg (33593 bytes)> http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/incl/4i1.htm#drumfeed 
> http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/2000/diary091700.htm#drumfeed
> http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/2001/diary100101.htm#drumfeed
> http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/2002/diary100102.htm#drumfeed
> for a few hints.
> allen
> A Beekeeper's Diary

I have cut back now, and am not keeping much in the way of records these days, but when I did, in a big way, I used paper sheets in the yards, and Excel at home.

The reason was that we had a number of crews out at once, and keeping the notes up to date was something I liked to do manually, rather than trying to get databases to synchronize themselves.  When transcribing, at my desk, I got to analyze the activities and make corrections.  Also, delicate equipment, like PDAs and computers, was not placed into the sticky, clumsy hands of casual or even trained help, some of whom had limited literacy in English, but could fill in blanks in forms passably well.

Our system consisted of plain black and white entry sheets, carrying the assignment for the day, and a summary sheet, carrying all the data for the whole operation.  I've shown it here before. Check these pages.

Today: Sunny. Fog patches this morning. High minus 5. Tonight: A few clouds. Low minus 13. Monday: Sunny with cloudy periods. High minus 4. Tuesday: Sunny. Low minus 12. High plus 3. Wednesday: Sunny. Low minus 12. High plus 4. Thursday: Sunny. Low minus 9. High plus 8.

Monday 21 February 2005
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Art is either plagiarism or revolution -- Paul Gauguin

My goal today is to get the job for Lakeland done and go to some marinas or see some beekeepers.  So far, I've managed to procrastinate for a few hours.  I hate editing previous work.  Writing is fun; editing is frustrating.

I see the HoneyBeeWorld Forum is getting active again, so I spend a little while there.  I've been having a problem with a 'bot, though, so I've had to make registration a condition for posting.  Comments are welcome.

I didn't get all the work finished, but took the afternoon to get down to Granville Island to walk around.

Here's an interesting letter:  If you are a Canadian beekeeper and are interested, Write me and I will pass on your interest to Lardus

> My name is Lardus Erasmus, I am a biochemist at the Potchefstroom
> University in South Africa and also a commercial beekeeper (produce
> honey, do pollination for seed companies, rear queens and do queen
> breeding based on a combination of closed population breeding (like
> Susan Cobey) and the principles that brother Adam used to breed the
> Buckfast Bee. I use artificial insemination and controlled mating
> (after natural culling of the drones in late Fall, I keep selected
> colonies producing drones by feeding them and then rear queens just
> before winter). Anyway, I was thinking about the possibility of doing
> beekeeping in Canada during our winter period which will be your
> summer. What are the prospects for beekeeping currently there ? Do
> you think something like that could be viable, especially in
> collaboration with other beekeepers ?

Yes, I'll mention it on my site and see if anyone shows interest.

> Is there still scope for
> expansion or what are your personal thoughts about this

There is lots of room, and always some outfits for sale, or beekeepers
looking for partners or workers.

The Alberta Beekeepers Association http://www.albertabeekeepers.org has a
long list of beekeepers looking for help. Most are looking for laborers,
but some would appreciate skilled help.


Hmmm.  I went to http://www.albertabeekeepers.org/helpwantedaba.html and was quite shocked.  In spite of the long list of beekeepers paying that ABA to advertise for workers in the print version of BeeNews, NONE are shown on the website, where foreign and out-of-province people will actually look for, and find, find ads (if they were there).

I never cease to be amazed at how delinquent beekeeping organizations can be when it comes to maintaining a website.  Web presence is so far down the list of priorities for many, that it is simply ignored.

The potential of the Internet is amazing, though, and I suspect that, often as not, the reason that the sites are not properly updated and maintained is not a lack of ability -- maintaining a website is a simple as using a word processor --but a control issue.  In many organizations, some people maintain control by managing the flow of information.

If you can run a word processor, you can make and manage websites using Microsoft FrontPage.  That's what I use.  Making or changing pages is a simple WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) process.  Drag and drop, cut and paste from another document? ...All the usual features are there.  Page formatting can be a little less advanced than in good word processors, but it is not difficult to get what you want.  As for putting the finished page onto the 'Net, the process is just as simple as printing, and the world can see your work the second you are done!  If you don't like it tomorrow, just change it; the process takes only a few moments.

Need to know more, or get a website?  Write me and get started today.

Today: A mix of sun and cloud. 30 percent chance of flurries this afternoon. Fog patches this morning. High minus 1. Tonight: A few clouds. Low minus 11. Tuesday: Sunny. High zero. Wednesday: Sunny. Low minus 13. High plus 5. Thursday: Sunny. Low minus 10. High plus 12. Friday: Sunny. Low minus 10. High plus 8.

Tuesday 22 February 2005
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That all men are equal is a proposition which, at ordinary times, no sane individual has ever given his assent -- Aldous Huxley

No rest for the wicked, they say.  Another day spent in editing the course, but, now I've sent it all off, and we'll have a meeting with beekeepers at the college Thursday to give it a good checking over.  Tomorrow, I'll catch a jet to YYC and be home again, just in time for some good weather for the drive to Sherwood Park, if the weather guessers have it right.

Today: A mix of sun and cloud. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h late this morning. High zero. Tonight: Clear. Low minus 12. Wednesday: Sunny. High plus 5. Thursday: Sunny. Low minus 11. High plus 10. Friday: Sunny. Low minus 11. High plus 10. Saturday: Sunny. Low minus 8. High plus 4.

Wednesday 23 February 2005
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History will be kind to me for I intend to write it -- Sir Winston Churchill

Allen's Link of the Day:


This morning, I return to Alberta.  By mid-afternoon, I should be home.

I arrived on time and collected my bag, after a fifteen-minute wait.  Ellen was outside the door, waiting in the van, and off we went.

I started catching up on bill paying, then Shirley came by.  Ruth came a while later and stayed for supper, then went to Linden to see the chiropractor.

Today: Sunny. High 4. Tonight: Clear. Low minus 9. Thursday: Sunny. High plus 7. Friday: Sunny. Low minus 11./ High plus 6. Saturday: Sunny. Low minus 8. High plus 3. Sunday: Sunny. Low minus 12. High minus 4.

Thursday 24 February 2005
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An intelligence test sometimes shows a man how smart he would have been not to have taken it -- Laurence J. Peter

This morning, I am off to Sherwood Park for the meeting at Lakeland College.  I don't know what happened to the predicted warm weather.  The probs now are for weather around freezing for the next few days.

The meeting went well, and I think we are about done.  One thing that came up during the meeting is that the ground is shifting under us and what was true last year may not be true this year.

I also leaned that a beekeeper at the meeting had just sold a load of honey for $1.00 per pound to make some room in the warehouse.  He said that the speculation is that the price will get up to $1.25 to $1.30 in a few months due to changes in the market, but, then, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. 

Today: Sunny. High 2. Tonight: Clear. Low minus 13. Friday: Sunny. High plus 1. Saturday: Sunny. Low minus 6. High plus 3. Sunday: Sunny. Low minus 10. High zero. Monday: Sunny. Low minus 10. High plus 6.

Friday 25 February 2005
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The intelligent man finds almost everything ridiculous, the sensible man hardly anything -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Only ten more months until Christmas.

I'm home today and have a1,000 little jobs to catch up.  One is to finish off the curriculum and get it out of my hair.

I've added a bit of discussion to the HoneyBeeWorld Forum today.

Wow!  I got high-speed Internet today by wireless link to to a local tower.  My speed is 886 kbs up and 284 down, via the system and through to my notebook connected by 802.11g.

From BEE-L...  My favourite hangout.

> "Every commercial beekeeper loses half their colonies every year"
> This was a statement made to me this year by a commercial
> beekeeper.

I always figured about 30% if no attempts are made to save hives in which queens die or go bad during the season. In summer, with brood chambers way down there under supers, or in winter under snow -- or half a continent away -- for a commercial beekeeper, intervening is often not an option, so 30% is pretty normal. Maybe where the queens are laying all year, 50% is normal.

> Is it any different this year than others? I went to one
> of the meetings that the initial writer of "Super-varroa in CT" went
> to. I heard what he heard but I've been hearing the same thing for
> years... In short, how much of this "super varroa" is rumor or
> exaggeration?

IMO, it's only Super Varroa if your Kryptonite isn't working.

If it is, and you haven't poisoned your hives by now with approved and unapproved treatments, you probably won't notice anything unusual.

The problem, IMO, is that many beekeepers are not monitoring, and if they are monitoring varroa, maybe they have forgotten about tracheal or other problems.

Moreover, after years of putting a variety of chemicals and herbs, etc. into hives, the hives are contaminated to the point where the bees are stressed, even without a varroa load.

All treatments -- including formic and oxalic -- are hard on bees. If bees are already under stress from a build up of chemicals in the hive and from a series of failed or partially successful attempts at treatment with Apistan, Checkmite+, plus other things from the environment, they will be much more vulnerable to weather, viruses, new treatments, etc., and many hives may well just die out, even if the varroa is reduced to what *should * be a safe threshold.

We must realize, too, that admitting that one's hives are poisoned and one's bees died from a lot of things adding up -- including the very measures meant to save them, is not easy to do. It is much easier to keep looking for a villain, then, when viruses or diseases that seldom proved fatal to any great extent before are found, to blame them.

When going back to the bank for more $$$, or having to tell your friends -- or your wife -- why your bees are dead and you are broke, which would you find easier?

1.) Say that your hives died because you poisoned them and your hives are now worthless,
2.) Say that some new, mysterious virus took you down in spite of your heroic efforts?

As long as I have been a beekeeper, there have periodically been reports of widespread and somewhat unexplained bee losses. And, all that time, some beekeepers lost their bees over and over, and other beekeepers seldom suffered serious losses.

Super Varroa? I doubt it.


I used to list my BEE-L posts here from time to time.  I've gotten out of the habit.  I can't recall when I last did so, so here is a big pile:

049843 04/09/28 06:03 51   Re: Small cells and small beehive beatle
049887 04/10/01 12:22 26   No Treatment for a Year and Then Some...
049898 04/10/02 11:23 25   Re: weather/swarming/crop predictions
049899 04/10/02 11:19 76   Re: No Treatment for a Year and Then Some...
049929 04/10/04 11:07 28   Re: Growing Degree Days
049988 04/10/14 14:16 49   Re: North Dakota Has A Situation
049993 04/10/15 04:56 33   Cyanogas, calcium cyanide
050018 04/10/21 20:58 15   Metarhizium anisopliae
050031 04/10/24 13:52 68   Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050034 04/10/24 17:11 65   Re: Small Hive Beetle.
050049 04/10/25 21:50 51   Re: Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050056 04/10/26 09:57 48   Re: Allergies and Canadian Beekeepers
050064 04/10/26 15:05 41   Re: Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050065 04/10/26 15:58 114   Re: Now formic and oxalic in Canada (was) Re: [BEE-L] Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050066 04/10/26 16:11 45   Re: Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050073 04/10/27 01:16 31   Re: Weak colonies and winter preparations
050074 04/10/27 01:37 52   Re: Now formic and oxalic in Canada (was) Re: [BEE-L] Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050075 04/10/27 02:15 35   Re: Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050083 04/10/27 08:26 32   Re: Weak colonies and winter preparations
050085 04/10/27 09:50 77   Re: Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050086 04/10/27 10:07 51   Re: Now formic and oxalic in Canada (was) Re: [BEE-L] Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050099 04/10/28 14:34 82   Re: Tens of thousands of hives crashing in the U.S. right now
050108 04/10/28 21:46 37   Re: overwintering nucs
050113 04/10/28 23:32 21   Re: overwintering nucs
050120 04/10/29 06:35 55   Re: Weak colonies and winter preparations
050123 04/10/29 09:50 34   Re: overwintering nucs
050128 04/10/29 16:18 24   Re: fondant
050139 04/10/30 07:49 40   Re: overwintering nucs
050178 04/11/01 21:46 49   Re: No Treatment for a Year and Then Some...
050190 04/11/03 06:47 60   Re: No Treatment for a Year and Then Some...
050192 04/11/03 08:21 21   2005 US National Beekeeping Conventions
050199 04/11/03 13:05 21   Re: No Treatment for a Year and Then Some...
050201 04/11/03 14:06 27   Re: No Treatment for a Year and Then Some...
050236 04/11/06 14:52 59   Re: So Does Insulation Wraping & Polystyrene Hives Induce More Mites?
050240 04/11/06 16:38 22   Bear Problems?
050285 04/11/10 20:40 25   Re: Arthritis & bee stings
050292 04/11/11 13:42 40   Re: Hives crashing (was Small Hive Beetle)
050300 04/11/12 10:44 51   Good news / Bad News...
050304 04/11/13 08:31 114   Re: Good news / Bad News...
050313 04/11/14 09:30 55   Re: Weaver. [Was: Hives crashing (was Small Hive Beetle)]
050319 04/11/14 18:24 37   Re: Bee Size vs Cell Size
050326 04/11/15 17:12 48   Re: Bee Size vs Cell Size
050335 04/11/16 06:00 114   Re: Hives crashing (was Small Hive Beetle)
050340 04/11/16 09:14 37   Re: Hives crashing (was Small Hive Beetle)
050359 04/11/17 18:48 37   Re: Bee Size vs Cell Size
050394 04/11/24 23:12 61   Re: FGMO testing
050400 04/11/25 11:25 65   Re: FGMO testing
050405 04/11/25 21:38 48   Re: FGMO testing
050412 04/11/26 14:25 44   Re: FGMO testing
050479 04/12/05 15:12 38   Re: Two-to-One Sugar Syrup
050484 04/12/06 19:53 20   Re: New Primer Pheromone
050496 04/12/15 09:43 33   Re: HFCS storage and heating
050501 04/12/16 04:16 35   Re: HFCS storage and heating
050531 04/12/21 09:31 81   Fw: Immediate Attention EPA/Carbaryl/bees
050536 04/12/21 15:13 24   Re: Looking for a hand roll foundation mill
050542 04/12/23 09:46 84   Re: SUPPLY OF FORMIC ACID THREATENED
050593 05/01/01 22:16 31   Re: Almond pollination
050597 05/01/02 16:45 30   Re: Almond pollination
050625 05/01/10 07:59 35   Zero Tolerance
050627 05/01/10 08:27 36   Re: OA and exposed brood
050631 05/01/10 09:38 37   2-Heptanone
050632 05/01/10 10:16 28   Addendum
050633 05/01/10 12:41 22   Re: Addendum
050682 05/01/15 14:32 25   Re: Aethina tumida and honey quality
050685 05/01/15 20:35 92   SMR>= HYG?
050691 05/01/16 15:45 54   Re: SMR>= HYG?
050692 05/01/16 21:18 80   The 2005 Honey Market?
050695 05/01/17 11:27 61   Re: So?
050702 05/01/17 21:32 25   Another visit to Lusbys
050704 05/01/18 03:10 58   Re: Another visit to Lusbys
050716 05/01/19 21:03 23   Re: U.S. import & export of bees (was Bummer!!! )
050717 05/01/19 21:07 27   Re: Flux Drum Pumps
050734 05/01/23 04:26 127   Brood viability is a complex issue...
050738 05/01/23 13:22 104   Incoming
050744 05/01/25 12:19 30   Upcoming Canadian Meetings
050752 05/01/26 13:04 28   Re: Upcoming Canadian Meetings
050759 05/01/30 09:11 45   Re: Chances of wintercluster been broken up/results
050761 05/01/30 12:29 54   Re: Chances of wintercluster been broken up/results
050767 05/02/02 04:43 120   Present day application methods are too time consuming
050770 05/02/02 21:18 60   Re: Formic and Oxalic acids
050775 05/02/04 02:44 107   Re: Vs: Re: [BEE-L] Formic and Oxalic acids
050780 05/02/04 09:37 37   Re: Plasticell vs. Duragilt.
050781 05/02/04 10:25 23   Re: Plasticell vs. Duragilt.
050789 05/02/05 20:53 28   Re: Bees moving
050791 05/02/06 06:43 69   Re: Bees moving
050793 05/02/06 15:10 26   Re: Formic & Oxalic Acid Benefits
050812 05/02/08 08:22 55   Re: First Trailer
050814 05/02/08 08:02 55   Re: Bees moving
050821 05/02/09 03:31 64   Re: Moving for Varroa
050826 05/02/09 10:48 43   Re: OA trickling
050854 05/02/15 07:53 47   Re: Latest Mite Treatment Device
050886 05/02/18 10:28 27   Re: Open feeding
050887 05/02/18 10:40 41   Re: Varroa and "Green Muscle" ??
050893 05/02/20 11:33 24   Re: Latest Mite Treatment Device
050895 05/02/20 18:29 46   Re: The Bee and the Climate
050920 05/02/23 06:39 47   Scraping the green frame
050934 05/02/24 23:11 61   Re: Varroa
050941 05/02/25 12:20 76   Re: Formic acid and Mite-Away
050942 05/02/25 14:17 78   Re: The real story

Today: Sunny. High 8. Tonight: A few clouds. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h overnight. Low minus 7. Saturday: Sunny. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming light in the morning. High plus 6. Sunday: Sunny. Low minus 9. High plus 2. Monday: Sunny. Low minus 8. High plus 3. Tuesday: Sunny. Low minus 8. High plus 5.

Saturday 26 February 2005
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One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say -- Will Durant


I called the Mid US Honey Price Line just now (763-658-4193), and the message was from Jan 30. Basically the story was this: prices in the US have softened to 85c (around $1.5 CAD) for white.  Chinese honey has been dodging the tariffs, and adulteration by ultra-filtered honey are being blamed.

At the rate we are going, and if packers are permitted to continue to defile the name of honey by getting away with packing anything that tastes sweet, and calling it honey, it looks to me as if honey will soon become just some other sugar syrup product on the shelf. 

The very thing that makes honey a special product -- the unique natural constituents and flavours -- is increasingly removed or blended out of honey.  Consumers who buy honey in supermarkets are not -- IMO -- getting what they think they are buying.  Gradually those who buy because they remember real honey and haven't given up hope are getting older.  New buyers coming onto the market haven't the same attachment to our product. 

Given the number of beekeepers who do a substandard job of packing their own brands for direct sales, large packers who offer an increasingly uninteresting product to the mass market, and processed food manufacturers who get away with using the word honey on products sweetened with HFCS, the good name of honey -- and its market -- is dying fast.

I spent a few hours trying to get the old PII-266, running on XP to talk to my router, with no success.  The computer runs very well, even for such an old machine.  It was a high quality unit when new, with good components, a good video card, and a fast frontside bus.  As with so many things, buying quality pays, whether it is cars, computers, or furniture, the best ones last longer and look good, even in old age.

Elliotts came by and we talked about cattle and going sailing, then Meijers came for supper.  Joe and I made a bet about who could lose 25 pound faster (no pun).   When we weighed up, it turns out that Oene is actually the lightest of the three of us.

Today: Clearing early this morning. High 3. Tonight: Clear. Low minus 11. Sunday: Sunny. High plus 1. Monday: Sunny. Low minus 6. High plus 6. Tuesday: Sunny. Low minus 7. High plus 9. Wednesday: Cloudy. Low minus 3. High plus 10.

Sunday 27 February 2005
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The best way to predict the future is to invent it -- Alan Kay


Allen's Link of the Day:

When I was in British Columbia, I happened to be discussing a heating system for a greenhouse belonging to a friend.  I had decided some time back, using energy costs in Alberta, that a heat pump was impractical., but I was amazed to find that B.C. electricity prices (delivered) are about one third -- 6-1/2  -- of ours -- 16.5 -- here in Alberta, judging by their total bill divided by consumption compared to ours.  My rate has been over 20 at times recently, but theirs is fixed. 

Okay, here is some feedback, already:

> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 11:42 AM
> Subject: Manitoba hydro rates
> Manitoba hydro rates from my bill:
> 175kW.h TIMES .05780 - BASIC CHARGE
> 5526 KWH times .05496 energy cost over basic plus GST and PST


That gives me something to chew on.  I checked mine and see that the rates have come down a bit since I checked a year ago.  They are not triple anymore, but they are still pretty high, though.

What is the total, including taxes, and the amount consumed for several bills??

For example, my

Nov bill is $161.20 (total) for 1160 KWH = 13.9c/KWH
Dec bill is $146.26 (total) for 1030 KWH = 14.2c/KWH
Jan bill is $163.13 (total) for 1260 KWH = 12.9c/KWH


What do you think?  Let's carry this on in the forum

Of course, their heating oil and natural gas prices are higher, so, after crunching the numbers, it turns out that heat pumps make a lot of sense in B.C.  I noticed that quite a few heat pumps are being installed in Manitoba when I was there last fall. I wonder how much they are paying for power there?

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